[Rockhounds] Mining Lake Michigan Sand for Magnetite

[Rik Dillen]

Hey, Horst, which company did you work for ? I'm an ArcelorMittal guy (at
least until June 2010... than I will (have to) retire).
Grts,

Rik DILLEN 
E-mail rik.dillen at skynet.be 
Homepage : http://users.skynet.be/rik.dillen 

MINERANT 2009
9-10/5/2009
Antwerp Expo - Antwerpen - Belgium
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[mailto:rockhounds-bounces at lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Horst Windisch
Sent: vrijdag 20 maart 2009 20:22
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Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Mining Lake Michigan Sand for Magnetite

Hi List,

As an engineer who spent more than 40 years in an iron and steelworks, 
totally agree with Rik.Also at the Palabora Mining Company in South Africa, 
they had thousands of tons of magnetite lying on their dumps and could not 
sell it because of the reasons mentioned by Rik.

Horst

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Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Mining Lake Michigan Sand for Magnetite


> And what is perhaps a very important argument against mining magnetite 
> sands
> : magnetite is not the type of iron ore that most steel companies like. 
> The
> reducibility in hot furnace circumstances is less good than that of
> hematite, even taken into account that one of the three Fe-atoms in
> magnetite (Fe3O4) is already reduced to the bivalent state), and that pure
> magnetite contains more Fe (about 72.5 %) than hematite (70 %). That less
> good reducibility has to do with kinetics, specific surface / porosity at
> high temperature. Magnetite contains also mostly quite high amounts of
> sulfur (as sulfides) and phosphor (as phosphates). This last point is e.g.
> the case in iron ores from northern Sweden/Norway (Kiruna & Gellivare).
> Those elements are the nightmare of any steel factory.
> So I doubt for those reasons that it would be profitable to mine magnetite
> in such circumstances as an iron ore.
> Grts,
>
> Rik DILLEN
> E-mail rik.dillen at skynet.be
> Homepage : http://users.skynet.be/rik.dillen
>
> MINERANT 2009
> 9-10/5/2009
> Antwerp Expo - Antwerpen - Belgium
> www.minerant.org
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:rockhounds-bounces at lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of jb
> Sent: vrijdag 20 maart 2009 6:50
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> Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Mining Lake Michigan Sand for Magnetite
>
> Kreigh Tomaszewski wrote:
>> I got a request from another List I am on for a sample of Lake
>> Michigan beach sand that contains Magnetite. It got me wondering.
>>
>> Has anyone heard of mining (Lake Michigan) sand with a magnet to
>> extract the magnetite at a commercial scale? They do it commercially
>> with Taconite, and they make their own sand by crushing rock, all for
>> about 3%. I have filled more than a dozen film cans with magnetite
>> using a super-magnet on about a hundred square feet of (Lake Michigan)
>> beach sand.
>>
>> Is the percentage of magnetite sufficient to make such an operation
>> profitable? A crane with an electromagnet on a barge just offshore
>> could process a lot of sand as it circled the shores of the Great
>> Lakes with minimal economic impact.
>>
>>
> ....
>> Kreigh
>>
>
> Probably not; you can be sure that the mining companies have thought
> about it also.
> Most of the black sands have minor magnetite percentages. Some have
> enough ilmenite and/or  rutile in them to make them worthwhile as an ore
> of titanum and are processed for that; in fact ilmenite is much more
> common than magnetite or hematite in the sands. Even so, placer deposits
> are mined much more than beach sands. (I guess it's more convenient to
> have an ore body in place than one that is constantly being shifted
> around. :) .)
> Garnets, chlorites, and heavy dark silicates are usually the other main
> constituents, the usual products of erosion of mafic rock.
> john
>
>
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