[Rockhounds] Sunstone natural and treated

[Tim]

I think I can say there is no copper schiller in Mexican sunstone with some
confidence. The source for at least some of the treated material is the
Plush OR area.

Tim Fisher 
Ore-ROCK-On! 
Email address at http://OreRockOn.com




-----Original Message-----
From: marilyn travis [mailto:smtravis at plateautel.net] 
Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 8:40 PM
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Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Sunstone natural and treated

I have compared the mexican and oregon stones side by side and have both 
some I mined in oregon two years ago and some I bought today at Benny's 
there was certainly enough mexican material mined and sold to China to have 
produces an large output and the yellow mexican has been sold to JTV 
recently.  The Oregon and mexican stones both vary in color from clear to 
light yellow.  I have not seen copper shiller in any of the Mex material. 
However I can not state there is none in any of it.  from what I have seen 
there are much larger stones from Mex.  I have seen beautiful clear/clean 
stones 7" by 4" by 3/4 thick  today.  Steve
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From: "Tim" <nospam at orerockon.com>
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>I found the article to be jumping to conclusions which people familiar with
> the whole mess strongly believe are wrong:
>
> For starters, we had received reliable tips in 2007 that in
> all likelihood the TV andesine was not as purported, from the Congo or 
> even
> Tibet and Mongolia. Our sources-including both a geologist who had studied
> the material and a dealer who had bought large quantities of it-were 
> willing
> to bet the material was Mexican. Why?
>
> First, Mexico was the only known country with a deposit of
> transparent feldspar capable of supplying enough material for sustained
> large-scale TV, Internet and Olympics marketing campaigns. Except for
> Oregon, there was no other known significant source of the kind of 
> material
> needed for such gargantuan commercial efforts.
>
> This is absolutely wrong. The source is Oregon, we even think we know 
> which
> claim(s). Notice "except for Oregon". The Rabbit Hills area in Oregon is 
> in
> fact the largest deposit of large, water clear, straw/honey colored
> andesine-labradorite sunstone (or whatever it is lol) in the world. 
> Occam's
> razor and all that. Why would Mexico suddenly export comparatively 
> valueless
> sunstone for treatment (I find it impossible to believe that the treatment
> was done in Mexico, which is not known for gemstone treatment. The Mexican
> rough is very different from the Oregon material, and anyone who has seen 
> a
> lot of rough from the two sources can tell them apart visually. It was 
> done
> in Asia, most likely China (although some believe it was Taiwan, India, 
> Hong
> Kong, or Thailand). We believe that many hundred thousands of carats of
> straw material was exported to China from Oregon and mysteriously returned
> as clear or schiller red cut stones. Furthermore, the treated stones 
> appear
> to originate from the Rabbit Hills area, not the Ponderosa mine or Mexico,
> since there is a fair amount of schiller in them and there is practically 
> NO
> schiller in the Mexican or Ponderosa stones (which is a totally different
> deposit located about 100 miles from Plush).
>
> Don, have you compared Mexican and Oregon straw stones? I would think that
> would be an itnteresting analysis.
>
> Tim Fisher
> Ore-ROCK-On!
> Email address at http://OreRockOn.com <http://orerockon.com/>
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:rockhounds-bounces at lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of DonH
> Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 5:30 AM
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> Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Sunstone natural and treated
>
> Al Balmer wrote:
>
>
>> I haven't read Mr. Federman's statements, but I understand that JTV
>> has publicly admitted that the stones were treated, whether or not
>> they did so in court. In fact, the article I read on their website
>> seemed to be taking credit for the "discovery."
>
>
> Very interesting.  Well, like I said, this whole thing has been a
> terrible mess.  I hope lessons were learned for the future.
>
> best,
> Don
>
>
>
>
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