[Rockhounds] Holly Blue

[Tim Fisher]

I have been there several times since doing consulting work for Cascade and 
there are no cameras. One person was arrested early on according to Milt 
Moran, manager for Cascade. The last time I did any work for them was 2002 
so more may have been arrested if they were as dumb as the one person I 
know who was. To have a security camera out there mean solar or battery 
power and a radio or satellite link, which is typically beyond a small time 
timber company's means. Again there was never any equipment there as of 
2002; it would be very difficult to access the site without making one 
helluva disturbance.

At 06:57 AM 8/14/2007, you wrote:

>Thanks Tim, I was hoping you'd know something more.  I was told about 
>equipment going in by one of Cascades security guys when I was at the 
>Sweet Home  rock show a couple years ago.  He may have been trying to 
>scare me off with the camera and arrest story, but I've heard several 
>versions of the same story from Sweet Home area locals.  > Date: Tue, 14 
>Aug 2007 00:24:35 -0700> To: rockhounds at lists.drizzle.com> From: 
>nospam at orerockon.com> Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Holly Blue> > I dug Holley 
>right up until the end. There was never a piece of equipment > nor a hole 
>big enough to have been made by one. The land was clearcut and > replanted 
>around 1997/8. When "rockhounds" could not respect the replanted > trees, 
>Cascade Timber closed the area to digging in 1999. There are no > cameras, 
>just signs, and I know of exactly one person who has been > prosecuted for 
>trespassing, and he deserved it. Hopefully one day the area > will again 
>be open to digging, but I don't think that will ever happen with > Cascade 
>as the managers.> > At 09:42 PM 8/13/2007, you wrote:> > >I'll give you 
>the short story!  As told to me by several different > >supposed witnesses 
>to the whole fiasco.  I CAN NOT, say this is the gods > >honest 
>truth.  But it is one of the accepted stories.  As with too many of > >the 
>rock sites, Holley Blue is found most concentrated on private > >property, 
>and in a very limited area.  The original owners of the 
>property > >allowed digging, respectful, per the code of ethics type 
>digging.  But > >when they passed away, they left instructions that the 
>vast forest land > >acreage they owned be managed properly so the heirs 
>would be taken care of > >monetarily for many years.  Well, when the 
>corporation that they chose to > >manage the land took over it's care, 
>some really intelligent folks > >panicked and decided backhoes and dump 
>trucks were necessary to make sure > >they got their fair share(as well as 
>everyone else's share).  As such, the > >holding company decided it was 
>too much of a financial risk to allow folks > >on the property any 
>longer.  So they shut it down to all.  Since then, > >they have had to 
>install cameras and such.  Having trespassers arrested > >with NO 
>exceptions and dealt with severely!!  This has all happened over > >the 
>last ten plus years.From what I hear, Ken White was a good friend 
>of > >the original owners of the property, so he was allowed to take what 
>he > >wanted.I have some rough bought from Ken, it's beautiful 
>stuff.  Keep in > >touch, I'll try to hook you up with some if I 
>can.  Most of whats > >available at the local shows is junk, fractured, 
>small tumble rough or > >just crap that dealers can't do anything 
>with.  But I'll see what I can > >get you.  If you'd like to call Ken, his 
>number is (541) 259-1529  He > >could probably tell the story, much better 
>than I.Rich> From: > >sinico at nbnet.nb.ca> Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Holly 
>Blue> Date: Tue, 14 > >Aug 2007 01:07:18 -0300> To: 
>rockhounds at lists.drizzle.com> > > I gather > >holly blue is no longer 
>being dug? This may be old news to > 
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Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam at OreRockOn.com
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